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#1 23-Dec-2009 14:31:11

Skylar
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Rested XP - Like wow lol

I think it would be a good idea if production was increased by a certain percent depending on how long it's been since someone has logged in.

Say 1% for every tick that someone is logged out up to a maximum of 8% or something? This would help to slightly equalize really active families with ones that aren't.

Maybe it should start after the 12th tick they are gone also. That way EVERYONE wont get the bonus because everyone (for the most part) goes to bed at some point in the day tongue


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#2 24-Dec-2009 14:15:20

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

in my top 10 for worst ideas ever

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#3 24-Dec-2009 14:49:21

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

hate it.


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#4 26-Dec-2009 21:01:26

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

myeaa... this isn't wow =p


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#5 28-Dec-2009 01:01:27

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

I love how people say it's a retarded idea without pointing out why it wouldn't be a good idea.
If i was a moderator I'd delete your posts for not being constructive, but obviously mods don't even care about the idea's forum.


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#6 28-Dec-2009 01:06:52

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

Note: "Online" only means the empire in question has logged on within the last two hours. If you forget logging out when leaving the game, you will remain marked as Online for up to two hours.

we don't have big brother watching us or anything like that...

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#7 28-Dec-2009 02:05:14

Leroy Brown
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

I could remove posts for not being constructive, but that won't change much.

But to give you a proper reason: This is not a turn based online game and it would not suit this game at all. People don't get rewarded for not logging in, because activity is a big part of this game play as it has always been. Your income keeps working when you log out so the longer you are logged out the more you have, but the reason of having decay is that saving up is a bad thing and being active and using it constantly is part of what makes you better.


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#8 28-Dec-2009 08:50:09

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

indeed, pretty much what elro said, except ofcourse for the fact that i'm not crying out of bumlove  between the lines yikes


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#9 28-Dec-2009 12:09:12

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

Uhmm.... except that this is also a Random Join game. For the most part most families don't get to choose every member they get each round. So you guy's are saying  that the super active families should always win just because they are the most active? That every other family who was jooked into getting a bunch of guy's who can only login 1-2 times a day should be doomed to lose because they have no way to keep up?

The reason world of warcraft added rested XP was so that when friends play together and one doesn't play as much as the other that person get's a little boost to his growth so that they can still play together at approximately the same level range.

I don't see why other games don't do the same. I don't see why people prefer to reward superactivity. It feels like cheating to me. Activity isn't available to everyone, how is it not cheating when the same things aren't available to all? It's like punishing half the families in the game for the sake of people who are only good because they can login every single tick.


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#10 28-Dec-2009 12:12:17

Skylar
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

I should point out that I AM super active and the family I am playing with is very active also so I don't suffer from this at all.

But I see half the galaxy wittle away because the top fams are the ones that are online 24/7.

It just doesn't seem fair. This game is supposed to be fun for all. Or am I wrong?


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#11 28-Dec-2009 12:37:45

Leroy Brown
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

I don't really think the comparison to wow is a good one. The game dynamics are just too different. There you would gain XP when playing and gain 0 by being off-line. in IC you always get your income, it is the skill + activity you put into the game, which gives you the opportunity to make your empire better.


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#12 31-Dec-2009 15:10:39

Skylar
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

It's not your own empire that decides whether your family's going to be good or not. If you have 2 great players and 6+ people who can only login once a day you are completely screwed. There's no chance at all that you will beat a decent family with 8 very active players.

You're missing my point here Leroy. It has nothing to do with the individual empire, it's how the low-activity of family members can drastically reduce the playing ability of the active members of a family as well as their ability to be competitive in a round.

Activity should not win a round for players. It's not like people in wow can move at 300% speed just because they are online all day. In comparison families in imperial conflict should not have such great advantages over others just because Their members are online all day.


Also, I think score should be divided by the # of players in a family xD
My family has been screwed in andro because literally 5/7 people that started with us were inactive. Then the following 4 that randomed in had to be killed off (Inactive/Disappeared)

Shouldn't score acknowledge the ABILITY of families to succeed? Not just their sheer ability to overcome other families in networth and planet size..
Cause I thought we already had a networth and planet size ranking -_-
I only point this out because literally if my fam had 8 members and you gave everyone the average of my three active member's networth we'd be ranked #2 in planet size and networth xD (by far)

I'm starting to remember why I stopped playing this game. It's so draft-dependant and lucky-random oriented. If half your family members are crap your entire round is ruined. The game turns into a fight to stay alive and you build and grow out of the bordom of the day.

Sure game dynamics are fairly balanced but when are families going to be balanced in relation to the big picture? Or are they? I have history with this game and good friends, I could probably get into an amazing family if I wanted to, but seeing how things haven't changed since I've been gone really makes me wonder if this game has a future. I wonder how impressed I'd be with myself being in a top family and playing part in the mass murder of a smaller family that could have been great given a fair family composition or a fair score ranking or a fair advantage for the lack thereof.

I'm SUPER HUGE on fair fights. I think strategy and skill should be the sole reason for any victory. Not super active families in opposition against families that went through the entire round with no drafts and nothing to equalize them with the rest of the galaxy.


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#13 06-Jan-2010 10:16:00

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

..:: Why is Skylar wrong ::..

Real-life comparacy :

You dont get to choose your family, you dont get to choose parents, you dont get to choose where you are born and you dont choose wether or not your family is gonna have money or not.

Why should IC be better than third world countries ?

-.-

MMORPG-comparacy :

In mmorpgs using offline-xp gain, its something they added to keep friends working in same level range - AND STILL COMING BACK TO PAY FOR THE GAME - so they dont miss out while being offline.

In IC, you already get that by having income added even while you are offline. You cannot explo or attack while offline..obviously..so there are no rational reasons anything should increase income while offline UNLESS before you go offline... BUILD SOMETHING !!!! It actually works..you get income boost, and you paid for it !
You dont pay for IC, you dont expect something from IC, and IC expects...not much from you aside from somewhat decent behaviour.

What would happen in IC with this ?

Imperial Infra Inc Fams ->Share MSN, Explo and build until explofase is over, then abit mroe until about 700-ish OB...then aside from one watcher, goes inactive until EoR saving. weeeew..whats the point? Top fams would gain FAR more from this than small inactive fams with one person built on 3 planets with 100% SS infra tongue


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#14 06-Jan-2010 15:16:37

Skylar
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

FfT - Because people play GAMES to get away from real live. You're point has no relevancy. And beyond that poor families get extra cash from the government. Food stamps and welfare checks. Lol. I just blew your post out of the water. If we used your judgement then rested xp would already be added ingame tongue

Also while you are offline active players are building things every tick. Their income multiplies while not-so-active players are at school or work. Lol you have no argument tongue


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#15 06-Jan-2010 15:32:49

Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

basically your rewarding people for being less active. and the more active people are being punished for being well active. yeah it sucks when your stuck with inactives but thats part of the game.

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#16 06-Jan-2010 15:41:48

Skylar
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

Wow i can't believe you people. This is like some political battle fighting the rich to help the poor.


Flashlighting active people will always have an advantage. But less-active people will ALWAYS have a disadvantage. HOW IS THIS FAIR!?
It's like you guys are saying 1 ======= 2 and fighting that fact even though it's quite obviously not true.

This game SHOULDN'T be based on activity. It should be based on SKILL.



Lmao this is nuts. I'm fighting for fair battles and everyone else is fighting for easy battles where they can easily dominate. Where is everyone's honor? Where is everyone's willingness to try HARDER to win the game instead of logging in more often?

Sad.


And I'm not saying rested xp is the right way to go but there are a LOT of things that we could come up with to balance families more. (Family member divided score for example)


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#17 06-Jan-2010 20:02:41

.:]FfT[:. ~Damon~
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

FfT - Because people play GAMES to get away from real live. You're point has no relevancy. And beyond that poor families get extra cash from the government. Food stamps and welfare checks. Lol. I just blew your post out of the water. If we used your judgement then rested xp would already be added ingame

~Yo, everything is comparable to real life, so the point is definatly relevant. And poor families get extra cash if they cannot manage their upkeeps on their own..not just for them to have a more similar life value to rich families.

If a bum(SS) is dumb enough to spend his cash on alcohol (lasers on homeplanet) BOOHOO, dumb move, no money for food(cash-gaining infra) sucker...

-.-

Also while you are offline active players are building things every tick. Their income multiplies while not-so-active players are at school or work. Lol you have no argument

~You know why ? Cause the active fam built something constructive before they logged off...its not that hard. Even in sucky fams, as SS you can go pretty high in IC these days...not that many players and even less good fams... tongue

~This is a dumb idea, Skylar..there is no justification as to why people being inactive should be rewarded. Do we really want to give prizes to people for staying away ? Is that a healthy way to keep the game played ?

EDIT : PS ! The name is Damon. FfT is a fellowship.

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#18 06-Jan-2010 20:18:24

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

I play another game that rewards you to be offline. those are usally turn based.

a real time game like this wouldn't work.


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#19 06-Jan-2010 21:05:37

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

if your not active the game allows for they ability to make adequate defences, if your not going to be very active, then you pay the price for it.
you need to rethink how you play if your not active.
most people portal everything laser it and build an inordinate amount of fig's or soldiers, true this will through off the amount of cash or resources you can build, but like i said it's the price you pay when your not active.

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#20 06-Jan-2010 22:06:31

Skylar
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

Good well I hope nobody thinks I'm a bad person for making not-so-active members of my family inactive and killing them off. Ha, I thought this was a game for everyone. Obviously I am wrong, otherwise it would be fair for everyone.


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#21 07-Jan-2010 00:18:22

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

I remember playing a game once, I think it was earth 2025 where if you did not login for 24/48/72 hours you would get some extra turns (you could stack turns)

So in that particular game it was a slight advantage to sometimes wait and not think about it so much.

Would help giving some of the inactives a better chanche though

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#22 07-Jan-2010 16:21:09

Leroy Brown
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

This game is for everyone. But slacking in here, just as in real life (usually) doesn't get you anywhere.


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#23 07-Jan-2010 17:29:49

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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

Why not just go to the game bot idea.  I know it is old, and most people that can log on all day long, and do very good already are opposed to it, but it would be a way to help people that simply cannot be here 24/7.  My idea is to make the bot last only a short time, say 8-12 hours, at which time it needs to be recharged and the amount of time u could use it could gain back in much the same way our spec ops do. Keep in mind I am completely opposed to having the game play entirely on it's own, and u not having to be here at all.  This is definitely no substitute for actually being here, but it would help level the playing field.


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#24 25-Jul-2010 05:29:06

Glow
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Re: Rested XP - Like wow lol

Look the real question is should people be rewarded for not playing the game?

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